Abby Norman is a pastor, author, and a dear friend. She also happens to be a Christian, which I used to be but am not anymore. In this episode talk about our diverging spiritual paths, and how we each navigate our relationships with religion … with and without God.

Abby also talks about her new book “You Can Talk to God Like That”, available May 19 wherever books are sold.

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