In this episode I talk with Emily Joy Allison about her brand new book #ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing.

She tells us how the hashtag she started became part of an international conversation about abuse in the Church, why Christianity enables abusers, and how the death of the Church is probably a good thing.

We also discuss seminary life, evangelical higher education, exploring Buddhism, staying in Christian-adjacent spaces, panentheism, the Grand Canyon, why poetry is better that theology papers, and the struggles of having an online brand so you can sell books.

Order the Book: #ChurchToo

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Emily on Twitter: @emilyjoypoetry

Headshot by @thejennybones